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I recall you're telling me that story the last time that you were here.

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Yes. Now there's two pilots and these are men who are strong believers. They've repeated this story numerous times.

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And it's quite an interesting fact because that ability to reverse it such an almost instantaneously is a frequent observation.

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And that's one way to identify these things from conventional objects.

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Now there was a sighting again of a farmer, a young man that also had a conversation with some of these saucer people.

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And I think it was in that conversation where they asked him quite a bit about that was in New York somewhere.

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Yes, Newark Valley.

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Yes, Ingramton.

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And you've talked with him, haven't you?

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Yes, I did.

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And then he went up and put a sack of fertilizer on the hill and came back the next morning and it was gone.

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Right.

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And that part of it. In this conversation that they related the fact that something was going to happen the first part of December of 1965 or 66 or something.

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No, I don't believe this was the case where that was related though.

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I have heard it from someone that in the early part of December there's supposed to be a mass landing in Brazil.

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Yes, this is what I wanted to find out.

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Well, it wasn't in that.

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Could you give me some of the details of this conversation?

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Well, in that conversation with the farmer, this was not stated about this mass landing in Brazil.

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That came from some other source. I don't recall what it is. Do you know where that came from?

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I've forgotten. I apparently heard it from the same source you did.

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And I don't remember, Farfand, myself, where it was.

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But this sighting in Brazil involved a craft and an occupant, variously described at different times as being from 28 to 36 inches tall, who spoke with this person, this witness in Portuguese.

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And they had quite a lengthy conversation.

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And one of the things that was supposed to have been stated during that conversation was that his people, the spaceman's people, were planning a mass landing on December 3 of this year.

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However, this should not be considered an invasion.

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It would be designed to show that they were there.

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And the witness should not feel any fear, whatever, because the spaceman's people feel very friendly towards the earthbound humans.

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However, these landings have been predicted in the past.

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Oh, they have. Nothing happened.

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I'll be willing to bet that December 3 will come and go like any other day.

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Well, I was going to pay particular attention to all the news reports on December 3 and December 4.

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I'm sure we all will.

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Let's all watch.

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See what happens.

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Yeah, and find out.

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I'd probably, of course, they'll have all sorts of photographers and cameramen waiting around all day in various parts of Brazil where they said they're going to land waiting for them to take their pictures.

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Well, I guess they won't have to wait around if they're going to come down to show people that they're there.

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They'll do it in the manner that will be unmistakable.

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It might even be rather spectacular.

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Yeah.

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All right. Let me take a little break here and then we'll get back to our discussion.

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As a matter of fact, open up our telephones, too.

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Telephone numbers, Devincher 8, DE86510.

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These two gentlemen I might add are very serious about this.

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We're not playing around or kidding or being preceitious or anything of the sort.

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And Steve Putnam would like anyone who has cited anything that they think might be a UFO to let him know about it and quite possibly give him their name and address so that he might talk to them about it.

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Because in this way, he can get maybe four or five people that saw the same thing.

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Before we have too many people hanging on the line, Fred, I would like to mention a little bit about some interesting light phenomena associated with UFOs.

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Okay. We'll get back to that in just a minute.

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All right. We're back once again.

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And Steve Putnam wanted to say something.

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Steve, what was that?

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Well, in regard to a light phenomena associated with these UFOs, after looking at a great number of reports, there are certain things which seem to become evident.

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And one is that the UFO can make the atmosphere surrounding it glow.

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But unlike the beam from a searchlight, this glow can proceed a finite distance from the UFO and then stop.

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This glowing air, I assume it's air that's glowing, can be so brilliant.

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And the line of demarcation between the glowing air and the normal air can be so sharp that it, in effect, it produces a pseudo-surface.

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So when you're looking at one of these objects, you're not necessarily seeing the object itself.

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And this accounts for some of the varieties and shape which these things take.

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There are several photographs of UFOs that are available.

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And many of them are remarkable by the fact that they lack the true symmetry of a manufactured object.

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There's a certain amount of unevenness to the surfaces, even though they are apparently circular, they are distorted nevertheless.

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Well, apparently what is being observed and photographed in many cases is the surface of this glowing air that's surrounding the object.

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Now, this can account for the changes of shape that people have observed.

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I remember talking to one boy who said, the object came down, it looked like a ball, but when it went near the ground, it flattened out like a door.

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Now, at the time, that was, to me, most unbelievable.

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But since then, there have been many reports where people have observed these objects changing shape.

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A famous one is the sightings up at Goose Bay Labrador, where they were observed from aircraft to be changing shape.

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But it's easy to conceive of that when it's simply a glow and the orientation of this glow can probably be changed just by changing the force field that's producing it.

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Okay, is that...

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Well, that's one thing about the light phenomenon.

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Another one is that in many cases, people who observe these things close at hand remark on their extreme brilliance and also remark on the fact that it did not illuminate the surrounding area particularly as it should have.

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Just that one spot.

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No, it didn't illuminate anything.

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They saw the object.

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Just like you, looking at a search light shining at you, and yet you look down at the ground and the ground is still dark.

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Now, it's evident that what you're seeing is not ordinary light, and yet it's providing a visual stimulus.

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So that's another characteristic that these objects have.

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Now, I guess Ed Fogg, Steve Putnam from the New England UFO study group, and whether you're a believer or a nonbeliever, we invite you to call.

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And if you think you've sighted something, I'm sure these two gentlemen would be more than interested in knowing about it so they can check it out.

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Let me say a term I switch off.

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Oh, did you see comment? Hello.

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I saw something that...

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It didn't strike me as a shooting star.

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I see shooting stars, but I was in debt at the time that I saw it.

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I only saw it for a brief instant, but it didn't appear to be a shooting star.

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I mean, I believe in flying saucers, but I'm not that open to it.

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I mean, I saw it, but I didn't think that...

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What was unusual about it that made you think it wasn't a shooting star?

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It was very brilliant, and it was traveling at a tremendous rate of speed.

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But usually a shooting star is sort of higher up in the sky, and you can see pieces, fragmentations, usually falling off of it.

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This was just a solid streak, and there was no contra at all.

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It was completely quite arctic, and it did go down below the horizon.

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It was heading from where I was in Denham, and then east of it, the direction towards the ocean.

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And what time of day was this?

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This is at night.

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What time?

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I believe it was approximately about 9.30.

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It was Tuesday or Wednesday night.

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Was it traveling horizontally?

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No, it seemed to be descending.

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It was traveling at a very high rate of speed, but it seemed to be descending down towards the earth, but it went beyond the horizon.

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And what color was it?

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A very bright, brilliant white color.

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I see.

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Well, it's sad to say just what that could have been.

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I believe it's the same thing that that one was showing myself.

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Does that take care of your questions for you, sir?

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I just like to ask if there is any way that I can get some information from his organization that they have any reading material or anything that they can suggest or anything.

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Well, did you get the name of that book we mentioned?

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Which one is that? The one by Georgia Dansky?

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No, Anatomy of a Phenomenon by Jacks Fali.

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Yes, I read that. I also read a book, I believe it was written by Major Keough. I think he's in Net-Ni-Cab.

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Yes, those are good books, all of those by Major Keough.

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And I read two of Mr. Dansky's books and I found them a little bit way out, but I still believe in finance rather than Mr. Dansky's.

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Could I write to you people and get any information on it?

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Well, we don't publish any general information on the subject.

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We just have a list of books and sources of information.

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Well, you can possibly drop... How would you find out about your next meeting? Would you like to go to a meeting?

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Yes, possibly. I will.

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Well, our next meeting will be the third Sunday in January.

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Third Sunday in January.

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At the Post-95 American Legion.

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In Quincy.

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In Quincy, right, at the corner of Revere Road and Mechanics Street.

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Okay.

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All right.

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At 2 p.m.

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Thank you very much.

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You're welcome.

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All right.

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Pardon me. It's a little bit past midnight.

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You're listening to Comment.

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My name is Fred Gale.

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Our two guests, Mr. Ed Fogg, Mr. Steve Putnam, members of the New England UFO Study Group, our telephone number is Devonshire 8 DE86510.

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And we will take some more telephone calls in just a moment.

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C. Redline 7000.

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The telephone number pictures in technical order.

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Redline 7000.

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The name of the movie coming November 10th to the community theater in...

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...Dedham.

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Start every day with your companion station, 68 WNAC.

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The bargaining voice of Pete Johnson has everyone in Boston searching for something to sell, swap or buy on antique auction weekdays from 2.15 to 4.

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Hello, this is Pete Johnson.

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And I'd like to invite you to come to Boston's antique auction Monday through Friday at 2.15.

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Maybe we'll discover that a dusty book you have hidden away in the closet is worth a lot of money.

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Or maybe you're looking for a particular type of early American harvest table.

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And we'll find one for you.

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Whether you want to buy or sell, I think we're all going to have a lot of fun at the antique auction weekdays at 2.15 on your companion station, 68 WNAC.

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Join your neighbors and me, won't you?

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Hi, we're back once again with Mr. Fogg, Mr. Putnam, trying to find out.

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Something that I think I asked you the last time.

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Let's take just a moment, not a long drawn out thing, but you find that a lot of people are afraid to relate experiences or something that they may think of the back side.

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They may think of the back of their mind that they might have been some sort of a flying saucer, but they say to themselves,

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well, if I tell anybody about it, they'll think I'm a nut, so they don't want to come forward with it.

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Well, that does seem to be the usual case.

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I found that about one person in a hundred will report their sighting to a news media so that there are a tremendous number of sightings that no one ever gets to hear about.

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Really?

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In a hundred?

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Where do you get those pictures now?

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It's just my own observation.

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I've talked to a great number of people and...

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That's true.

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Very seldom do I run across anybody who has notified the newspapers about this.

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Well, you've been talking to people for how long now about this?

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For 15 years.

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15 years.

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How come you haven't written a book?

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See?

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Well, I don't think I have the time to do it.

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That's about what it amounts to.

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I think I have the information.

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You must have file cabinets filled with material.

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Yes, I do.

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It seemed to me that you...

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Everybody else are writing books about it.

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Some are a little way out.

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Others are...

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Of course, I like to wait until I really have something to say on the subject.

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Most books are repetitions of observations, but I would like to come to a few conclusions.

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After 15 years of face-to-face confrontations with people that have sighted objects, it would seem to me that you would know as much about it as most anyone.

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Talking about the lack of reports from people, I also find that people don't tell many of their friends about these sightings either,

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because after telling two or three persons and getting that look, are you crazy or something?

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Why?

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They quit talking about them.

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So I make it a point to ask everyone point blank that I encounter if they know of anyone who has seen any UFOs,

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because I brought out a great number of reports just by doing that, because nobody...

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Then I can see the other section saying, you know, that Steve Puttons are real nut.

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I said hello to him and he asked me if I know anyone who has sighted a UFO.

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Well, it was a rather non-committal statement.

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I didn't say I believed in them or anything of that nature to a stranger,

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but that starts the conversation going if they have any information to relate.

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Not only have I found that people report these to or tell very few of their friends about anything that they may have seen,

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they are, in most cases, they tell even less of their family about it.

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Not even within the family group.

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Well, that's interesting.

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I was interested to find out about that particular aspect of it.

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Well, and I found also that in most cases where children observe these objects,

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that very seldom do their parents give them any credence.

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But they're just taken as though they don't know what they've seen and told or forget it.

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Yeah, well, I would imagine so with kids, because they have great imaginations, you know, anyway.

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But there are a great many observations locked up in the minds of these youngsters that I'd like to hear about.

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Let's take some more telephone calls here on comments.

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WNAC, comment.

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Hi.

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Yes.

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I have two questions.

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One of them is about the key hoist book that was just mentioned by the last person who was on.

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I read that quite a few years ago, and I don't remember it too accurately,

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but I do remember that he mentioned at least one case of radar sightings,

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and I believe it was supposed to be over Washington.

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And I think he claimed that there were three separate radar fixes on the same object.

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That is, they were able to correlate the three radar sightings and determine that they were in fact the same object.

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And he claimed that the approximate speed of these things was somewhere in the range of 15 to 20,000 miles an hour.

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And obviously at that time, we didn't have anything that would travel that fast.

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And I've always taken that as being about the strongest evidence I know of, but I've heard of.

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If in fact it's true, I'm wondering whether your guests think that that claim of key hoists has been established.

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I mean, that might, I suppose, be classified information or something that he claimed to know about

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and that hasn't been able to be verified.

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Well, I've heard from numerous sources about these radar fixes on UFOs.

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I don't know if that particular claim of key hoists has been substantiated, but...

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Right, well the reason I was interested is that the claim was that there were three fixes on the same object.

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I understand that that's about the best you can get with a radar.

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If you've got three that show perfect correlation, that's the best photo that you can have.

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At any rate...

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Yes, well that certainly points, the pin points, the location of the objects, for sure.

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Yeah, right, right.

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The other question is about the incident that occurred in Texas last spring, I think, sometime.

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It showed up in the papers once, and they told us about it.

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Nothing was said about it afterwards.

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There's a local sheriff who was driving all along a country road or something out there, and he heard an explosion

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and drove off in the direction of it.

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And he could see down the road a distance, something that looked like apparently a small rocket.

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And a couple of figures, I don't think they gave the size, standing around it near it.

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And then the road that he was traveling on dipped, and the object went out of sight when he came back up again.

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The figures that were standing beside it had disappeared, but the rocket or whatever it was was still there.

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And as he approached it, it blasted off.

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And when he got there, he said it practically disappeared instantaneously.

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And when he got there, there was a phenomenon, something like the one that you mentioned that occurred somewhere else.

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I don't remember where it was. It was a scorched earth.

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Yes, in Florida.

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Right. And there were also these three indentations in the ground that looked as though they might have been the legs that were supporting it.

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And apparently there were a couple of... there's an Air Force base down there and a couple of other installations.

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And they were all informed about it, and they all came over and checked.

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And apparently, supposedly, they all verified, at least that much, that the information was accurate, that there was a scorched ground.

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And these three indentations in the earth. And I'm wondering if the government is ever trying to explain that one away.

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I don't recall what the government explanation was for that, but...

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Personally, it's not... at least it's not an astronomical phenomenon.

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It would be rather difficult, I guess.

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Yeah, right. That's what, in fact, the AP, in their writing up the story, they said that this one ought to give the government some trouble.

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There was one case...

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Never heard anything about it again.

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There was one case where the government came out and said that what these people had seen were certain planets.

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And an astronomer in that area said that those planets that the government was referring to were on the other side of the earth.

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Which made the government statement very ridiculous.

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Yeah, but...

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The government doesn't love to come out and make a claim of that nature, though.

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It seems very necessary to them for some reason to always have something to offset the, you might say, the effect of the sighting.

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Yes.

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Alright, sir, is that to answer your call for?

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Yes, it does.

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Good. Okay. Good night.

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WNAC, comment. Hello.

270
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Yes, sir.

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Mr. Fred Gale.

272
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Yes.

273
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You're on the air.

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I'm very...

275
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Alright, good.

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I'm going to need to... I believe there was a medical but they held it in New Hampshire.

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I missed it and I was wondering if you could have any comment on where it can be obtained if it can't perform a serial.

278
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Well, this article just appeared in the Boston Traveler.

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It ran for a week and I think it was last week.

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Yes, sir.

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Yes.

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For five days from Monday through Friday by John LaTrell.

283
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Right.

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Well, this is about Barney and Betty Hill from Portsmouth, New Hampshire.

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But it's... that's the only place that is written up at present that I understand.

286
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Yes, it could give me a brief rundown just what did happen.

287
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I missed the whole serial and that was not a serial.

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Well, quite a bit happened but briefly they were coming home from Canada when they saw a red light in the sky.

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And it seemed to be following them.

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Then they stopped at the place to eat on the way home and noted the time there.

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And when they got home they also noted the time.

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And from this place they stopped to where they arrived home.

293
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And their traveling time was two hours longer than normally it is.

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And they couldn't understand why.

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Then Mrs. Hill started getting these peculiar dreams about being taken aboard a spacecraft and so forth.

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And the dreams kept repeating and they were always similar.

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So at this time she came to one of our meetings, she and her husband,

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and related the whole... everything that they knew about this as well as the dream.

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Then after that they went to this Dr. Simon, a psychiatrist I believe.

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And by means of hypnosis he tried to extract from their minds exactly what had happened.

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How was this blanked out to begin with?

302
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A bigot pen?

303
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How was this all blanked out to begin with if she was on a spaceship or something?

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Well according to the... as I understand it according to even according to her dreams,

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she was told by the spacemen that they would not remember anything about this.

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And she insisted that she would.

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And they said well perhaps you will but certainly your husband will never remember anything that has gone on.

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So by means of hypnosis apparently they were able to break down that barrier which apparently was a previous state of hypnosis.

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But it was very interesting.

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That's all I've indicated.

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Well as I understand it the hypnotic sessions tended to substantiate this whole occurrence.

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In other words she couldn't have faked it or anything.

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She couldn't fake this under hypnosis could she?

314
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The only way this story would be available would be in the papers.

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No way.

316
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The packages are up in the papers.

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One other question.

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Wasn't there a summary of something terrific about UFOs that went to each congressman?

319
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Is this supposed to be a secret or a secret about youth?

320
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Is that available to the public?

321
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Well that's... as Mr. Fogg can tell you about that he has a copy of this report here.

322
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He has a copy of the report so it is available.

323
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It's right here in front of him.

324
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This is entitled the UFO evidence.

325
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And it's published by the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena

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which is a private organization led by Major Donald Keyhole from Washington DC.

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And I believe it's available from that organization for five dollars if I remember correctly.

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And the address for NICAP is 1536 Connecticut Avenue, Northwest.

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Washington 36.

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This is put up by the government printing office.

331
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No this was published and printed by NICAP.

332
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And copies were sent to all congressmen and senators.

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As well as representatives of the news media in many cases.

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I just wrote that a little while ago and I heard from somebody about this woman in Percline.

335
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And I didn't get all of it exactly what could happen because I was right around the Percline area.

336
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She just related an experience to the two gentlemen here of the sightings.

337
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Can you give it to him very briefly Steve?

338
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Well she saw it.

339
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The one in Percline was simply a shooting staff which started high in the heavens and came perfectly straight down.

340
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Perfectly theoretically.

341
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Yes.

342
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So it's difficult to know just exactly what that was.

343
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She had related something which was much more detailed.

344
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It occurred three years ago however.

345
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You know what just happened in Percline?

346
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Yes just the other night she said.

347
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It happened the other night.

348
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Because nothing was said.

349
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Nobody else had seen it.

350
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Well nobody reports these things.

351
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Everybody's looking in the paper to see if anybody else reports them.

352
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They think the official would have been jammed at the station.

353
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Well people have been ridiculed very frequently when they've called police stations.

354
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I am a friend believer in South Africa.

355
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I am a friend believer.

356
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But there are a lot of track recorders around also that.

357
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Have you had any sightings yourself?

358
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Yes I have.

359
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I have worked twice actually.

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I was looking for a date that was definitely.

361
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It was like four or five hours ago.

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It was down below a basin.

363
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Well could we get you to give your name to our director?

364
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Sorry maybe Mr. Putnam can call you sometime.

365
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Sure.

366
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And you can relate it to him.

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I sat with the girl a few years back.

368
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What happened?

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When I was a pastor I was 77.

370
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I was a very epic.

371
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Was there a detailed observation?

372
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Yes or no?

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It was in 1961-1962.

374
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Well would you.

375
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I was a private of mine.

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I was particularly.

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Would you give your name to our director?

378
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Sorry Mr. Putnam.

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We'll get in touch with you.

380
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Sure.

381
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Thank you very much.

382
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Good night.

383
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WNAC comment.

384
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Hello.

385
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Yes ma'am.

386
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I was wondering if your guest could tell me which parts of the sky these objects are most likely to appear.

387
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For Binati Southwest.

388
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I have an idea.

389
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It's west but I just wanted to make sure.

390
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Well I can't relate them to any particular part of the sky because if they were west then somebody further west would see it in the east.

391
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Oh I see.

392
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Uh huh.

393
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Well I thought it might be west somewhere.

394
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That's why I go.

395
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Well I think you can just as likely to appear in any direction.

396
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Okay thank you.

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Good night.

398
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Good evening.

399
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You see comment.

400
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Hello.

401
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Hello.

402
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Yes.

403
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Uh this is the UFO show there?

404
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Yes ma'am.

405
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This is Fred Gale.

406
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You had a question or something?

407
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Well no.

408
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I was going to give you a tell you about some sightings I'd say.

409
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Oh good.

410
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Two very close ones.

411
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And I'll tell you before July 29th if you had said too much about UFOs I'd say well maybe.

412
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I'm sorry.

413
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Now I know they exist.

414
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Uh the 29th of July.

415
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My daughter and I were up in Hampton Falls having coffee with a friend of mine.

416
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We sat her down the road about 1130 to go home.

417
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And it's quite a dark road in Woodsey.

418
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So there were bright reds and white lights streaming to the middle of that road.

419
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And I said well we'll slow down.

420
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There's a car accident here.

421
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We get up to where the lights were and the white lights had gone off.

422
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But you could still see the red ones.

423
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And I said well gee there's no traffic here.

424
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Well where are they?

425
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So we stopped.

426
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And I said well gee where's the car?

427
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I said well where are the lights coming from?

428
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So Sherry was sitting on the other side of me you know.

429
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And she looked outside and she looked up.

430
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And she said well up there.

431
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I said in the air she said well what?

432
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So I had to lean over.

433
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And then there hovering about 8 to 10 feet off of the ground.

434
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Was this oval shaped thing?

435
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I could not see the body of it this time at all.

436
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It was just bright green lights streaming down on the sides.

437
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And there were red ones out you know onto the front.

438
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And they came they hit my car the lights.

439
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And we sat there for perhaps four or five minutes.

440
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The thing was rocking side to side it had no noise.

441
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So anyways we were just discussing it.

442
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She got scared and she was almost in her sparse.

443
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And she locked the door.

444
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We did roll windows up.

445
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And she says it's awful looking.

446
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She says well maybe it's a plane.

447
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She says well how come there's no noise?

448
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She said looks like something out of fantastic features.

449
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And it's true it did.

450
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It was very very weird.

451
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So then it started rocking faster.

452
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And it went up a little.

453
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Then it looked like it was going to jump on my car.

454
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And it scared me you know.

455
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So we took off.

456
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And I made a watch all the way home to see if this thing was anywhere near us.

457
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Well we came home.

458
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We stood out on the lawn.

459
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And at what I call a 45 degree angle we saw this oval object.

460
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Which was a silver roof light take off.

461
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And go up into the sky and disappear.

462
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It had red green and white lights on it.

463
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Then we didn't think too much more about it you know.

464
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And I didn't tell anybody.

465
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And finally a couple of days later it bothered me so much.

466
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I mean I just couldn't believe that I'd seen a thing.

467
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I told my girlfriend about it.

468
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,000
She asked me to call T. Ziflis.

469
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,000
Which I did.

470
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,000
And I asked her about balloons and so on and so forth.

471
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,000
And I know a few things about it.

472
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,000
Because I've lived near the base here.

473
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,000
And I've lived near Plains down in Massachusetts you know.

474
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,000
So I just brought it to them.

475
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,000
And they told me that it was a U.S. row.

476
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,000
They had to translate that.

477
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,000
Because I didn't know what that meant.

478
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,000
It's why it's awesome they called it.

479
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:35,000
So then in September the 16th my girlfriend and I were out again.

480
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,000
Just around you know looking around.

481
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000
We had started seeing things that didn't look right.

482
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000
So we kept looking you know night after night.

483
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,000
So anyway the 16th I guess it went up to the 17th.

484
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,000
It started up in a field here in Route 88 in Hampton Falls.

485
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,000
And we saw six of these long red things.

486
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,000
We don't know what they were.

487
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000
There was something we hadn't seen before.

488
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,000
They fly below tree level.

489
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000
They had an uneven pattern.

490
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,000
We saw six of those there.

491
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,000
And then we saw, Chris I don't know if people believe this enough.

492
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,000
But stars can walk and they're not really stars.

493
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,000
Not all of them.

494
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,000
I don't mean them all.

495
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,000
Anyways we saw all of that there.

496
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,000
So we took a ride down the road.

497
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,000
And my girlfriend said to me,

498
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,000
she says you know she sees these two objects following us.

499
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,000
And I told her you're foolish.

500
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,000
I said they don't follow.

501
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,000
Things can't follow you.

502
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,000
And I really didn't believe it.

503
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,000
So we stopped the car.

504
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000
There were two objects and they were large.

505
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,000
And you might say that they were large stars you know.

506
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,000
So one kept going with us.

507
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,000
The other one seemed to drag back.

508
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,000
Alright we get down the corner of Ashbrook Road.

509
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,000
And this 88 Road.

510
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,000
And this thing assumed a different shape.

511
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,000
It looked long.

512
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,000
It was red in the front.

513
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,000
And red in the back.

514
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,000
And a little bit of orange.

515
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,000
So that's alright.

516
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,000
So we went down the street.

517
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,000
Which kept going.

518
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,000
We stopped.

519
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000
And I mean you have to see it to believe she said.

520
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,000
This thing stopped.

521
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,000
And we stopped.

522
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,000
Well we went fast.

523
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,000
It went faster.

524
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,000
Well it went fast.

525
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,000
It just went a little ahead of us you know.

526
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,000
Alright it followed us.

527
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,000
Up and down roads.

528
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,000
It made, when we turned.

529
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,000
You turned the street.

530
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,000
Which I did.

531
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,000
It went across the side.

532
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,000
You know to the other side of my right.

533
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,000
And it kept, it was way below tree level.

534
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,000
It kept right up to this.

535
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,000
So out on 101.

536
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,000
You know Route 101.

537
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,000
I stopped the car.

538
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,000
And this thing was ahead of me.

539
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,000
It went ahead of me.

540
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,000
It stopped right in midair.

541
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,000
And there was no noise to it.

542
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,000
I stopped the car.

543
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,000
And we get out underneath.

544
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,000
You know right out of the car.

545
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,000
On the ground there.

546
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,000
And the thing turned and came back at an angle.

547
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000
And it went right over my car.

548
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000
Alright we get a very good view.

549
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,000
And I had a camera which I tried to get a picture of it.

550
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,000
I didn't get it.

551
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,000
Come out.

552
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,000
But this thing to me.

553
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000
The front of it was oval shaped.

554
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,000
It had what I call either short wings.

555
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,000
Or fins.

556
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,000
I don't know what you want to call it.

557
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,000
It was long body.

558
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,000
And it had like in the back a split like a,

559
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,000
like I call a fin flat though.

560
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,000
Then underneath of this thing.

561
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,000
There was what I call a cabinet.

562
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,000
Or a carriage.

563
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,000
Which are of you please.

564
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000
It had square windows in it.

565
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,000
Which were illuminated.

566
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,000
But you couldn't see anything.

567
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,000
I was a light coming from it.

568
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000
And what might have been a ceiling or something.

569
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,000
You know.

570
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,000
Alright this thing was a dull metal.

571
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000
And it's what I would call a hammered effect.

572
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,000
This thing was no more than 8 to 10 feet over our head.

573
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,000
And it was a dull metal.

574
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,000
It had lights all over it.

575
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,000
Larger lights around the edges of it.

576
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,000
You know.

577
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,000
And it was red, green and white.

578
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000
And orange lights on that thing.

579
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,000
I don't know what it is.

580
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,000
We want to see it for us again.

581
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,000
We call.

582
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,000
They asked us to come up.

583
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,000
We did.

584
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,000
And we could.

585
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,000
These two gentlemen are all excited here.

586
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,000
Because they loved.

587
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,000
I never believed this.

588
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,000
Well they would love to sit down and talk to you about it.

589
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,000
Could we get you to give your name to our directors?

590
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,000
They could call you sometime.

591
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,000
Yes.

592
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,000
Would that be alright?

593
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,000
Very interesting.

594
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,000
Well they are quite interested.

595
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,000
I can tell you that.

596
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,000
They're still around here.

597
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,000
Believe me.

598
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,000
I don't care they are.

599
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,000
Over 100 people in this area have seen these things.

600
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,000
Uh huh.

601
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,000
Well Steve.

602
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,000
Any questions?

603
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,000
Would you mind telling us what area that is?

604
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000
This is Hampton Exeter area.

605
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,000
Hampton Exeter.

606
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,000
Now if you remember there were police and a boy that made the newspapers.

607
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,000
I didn't want my name used period.

608
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,000
Because you know people do think you're not quite right.

609
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,000
Yes.

610
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,000
I saw this the first one I saw was July 29th.

611
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,000
And I had reported it to peace a couple of days later.

612
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,000
Well that's certainly most interesting.

613
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:20,000
And I wonder if it's the shape it all relates to what was seen and published you know.

614
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,000
You mean the Exeter?

615
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,000
The one seen by Mr. Muscarole.

616
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,000
Oh I know him.

617
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,000
I know the boy.

618
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,000
Well the first one was that I say that this thing can assume different shapes.

619
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,000
I don't mean the metal can change it.

620
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,000
Absolutely cannot.

621
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,000
But by changing the lights it can look different.

622
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,000
We've seen it quite large right down the head of the street.

623
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,000
A whole bunch of kids have seen it and neighbors.

624
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,000
I have a girlfriend that is a grown woman too.

625
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,000
And she's been out with me and we've seen these things many times.

626
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,000
The nearest where with Doris and I went to over my car.

627
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,000
And when Sharon and I stopped by the side of the road and they were very near.

628
00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:03,000
Do you have any idea at all where this thing might have its home base perhaps in that area?

629
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,000
Don't you think I would love to know that?

630
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,000
I mean no but I'm going to tell you.

631
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,000
Well I'll tell you 88th field I don't care.

632
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000
You can see these things many many times.

633
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,000
And you tell me when you sit.

634
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,000
I mean you have to sort of study these things you know.

635
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,000
I mean in the beginning now we've seen other things after that July thing.

636
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,000
Here's a ball that I mean I thought I'd lost my mind really.

637
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000
And I just kept going out and going out.

638
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,000
And finally these things we've seen it's amazing what they are.

639
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:33,000
I have a daughter that sat with me and saw three so-called stars come right down and take a shape of.

640
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,000
So that you could see metal on two of the craft and the other one the long red thing.

641
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,000
If you don't stop this you're going to make a believer out of me.

642
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,000
Well I'm going to tell you something.

643
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:47,000
You tell me this before the 29th of July I'd say all things are possible but I want to see it first.

644
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,000
That's what I say.

645
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000
That's exactly how I felt.

646
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,000
But you now you show me what I saw and tell me where it comes from.

647
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,000
And if you can give me a legitimate answer for it I'll believe you.

648
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,000
Well that's interesting would you hold on so you can go out and say your name to our director please.

649
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,000
Thanks for the call. Good night.